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  No longer to use "house to house record" slips and "please follow up slips"!

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. beliefs

  a letter has just been read out indicating that effective immediately, witnesses are no longer to use the s-8 slip known as the "house to house" record slip, as well as the s-43 "please follow up" slip (usually used for foreign language people).. the letter stated that this is because of the changes in privacy laws etc that are becoming common in the world today.. i will try and get a copy of the full letter and post it asap.. .

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  Exactly Clearpoison!

  The "Organization" is constantly "moving forward with Jehovah's chariot" in distancing itself from lawsuits....
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  Hello!

  by mikeypants in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  wanted to say hello to you all.

  i am new to the forum and just wanted to introduce myself.

  i was raised a witness, never baptized (yay) and am married to a lovely baptized witness of jehovah.. i had been trying to get back into it due to both our families being j dbs but just never could get it into my heart.

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  Welcome Mikeypants!

  "Kids" can be a great way to start the conversation....

  "So, dear, I was thinking about what has been happening in these court cases... i.e. 'Candace Conti', 'Southern CA/ Campos'

  "How do you feel about the way the WT / GB have not been really caring about how the kids are not protected? I don't want that to happen to our child..."

  Give her tiny bits of info, ask questions over a long period of time, from the viewpoint of protecting your child.
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  Update today on Candace Conti vs Watchtower case

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

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  cha ching

  Page 9 of this link, near the bottom re: Joseph Herrera

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/253934/9/Candace-Conti-v-Watchtower-Society-June-3-2013-Respondents-Brief-prepared-by-Rick-Simons-A136641
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  Candace Conti v Watchtower Society | June 3, 2013 | Respondent's Brief - prepared by Rick Simons | A136641

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jw leaks has published the respondent's brief prepared by rick simons in the case: candace conti v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york & fremont congregation of jehovah's witnesses.

  (90 pages).

  http://jwleaks.org/candace-conti/.

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  cha ching

  Update:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/287603/1/Update-today-on-Candace-Conti-vs-Watchtower-case
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  FDS & G.B. TEACHING DESTROYED

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  credit to vidqun for the direction given.. the watchtower november 15th qfr http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20141115/ blows the selection process/timing/individuals clean out of the water!.

  simply put, ask any witness these questions:.

  who is represented by the 'two witnesses' in revelation chapter 7?

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  Great reasoning. Thanks
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  Overlap what???

  by dugout in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just out of the blue i asked my wife whos been a jw for some 30 odd years can she explain the overlapping doctrine.

  she said to me she never heard of this and said she will have to look it up.

  i thought oh s#^%!.

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  Perfect logic respectful observer!! Too funny! I would love to be there to see the look on their face!

  If you hear a JW express confusion/lack of understanding of how you can scripturally support multiple generations actually being 1 (overlapping) generation, you could always say:

  "It's really quite simple...although they are seperate generations from a human perspective, from a Bible perspective, they are 1. Sort of like when Jesus said: 'I and the Father are one.'...seperate from a human perspective, but a single being from...oh wait, that's the Trinity! Nevermind! The using that logic to defend the Trinity Doctrine never made any sense!"
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  How Do You Answer Someone Who Says JWs Are Not False Prophets?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it used to bother me that people would say that about my well meaning religion.

  how do you prove that witnesses are indeed, false prophets?.

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  Thanks for the topic, Searcher, and

  THX to Punk, Shirley & BU2B.. Great quotes that I will save

  Marvin: I like those quotes you had, short, sweet, to the point! Touche!
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  Finished Mystery (1917)... The book that Jesus approved...

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so a few months ago, a friend sent me an actual copy of finished mystery which was published in 1917 (not a pdf download... the actual book).

  i must say, this was the most disturbing book i have ever had the displeasure of reading.

  but i only read it because this was the main publication that was being distributed worldwide when jesus supposedly chose the watchtower in 1918 and i basically wanted to see for myself what jesus saw in the wt that would compel him to choose this religious corporation over all other religious denominations.. anyway, if anyone is interested in knowing the actual contents of this book, here are some bullet points i put together from some of the notes i took as i read the book:.

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  Thank you for such a clear list.

  When you read the book, it sounds like the WT: clear lunacy (if lunacy can be clear)

  #28 made me cry, when I read @ the adjustments made for the "Hoboken Tunnel"
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  An eager Sister Pioneer approaches the BOE with her plan...

  by LogCon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sister pioneer, always thinking of how to expose false religion and promote true worship, finds out that many mormons are becoming disillusioned with the mormon faith because of the revelations being exposed on the internet.

  if it is exposing the mormons, it would help to expose other false religions.she puts two and two together and comes up with a plan.. after the next meeting she asks the boe to meet with her at the back room.. ' with all in attendance brother jorgenson speaks first.... brother jorgenson: ' sister pioneer, this is most unusual but we know you are excited about something.

  tell us what is on your mind.

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  DOC, OntheWayOut, Oubliette: Exactly! I think you all have heard the mantra many times. So have I...

  It is all so familiar, as it is repeated over and over, so often, that it is writtten in their brains.... No thinking needed, just repeat.
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  Is shunning an expression of love or just a place for the shunner to hide?

  by cha ching in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to three people in my family, disfellowshipping / shunning is just a tool the wtbs uses to hide what really happened.... they don't want people to 'see behind the curtain.'.

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  Yes, yes, and triple yes.

  Talesin: So sad that parents can actually do that to their children, and WT exacerbates the pain by supporting the torture.

  LostGen : You did hit the nail on the head… “Information Control” is what WT is all about! The sheep would flee the barn if they knew it was burning down.

  Crazyguy: excellent point about people getting DF’d when they discovered lies in doctrines. Remember those two Irish JW’s who came to the US to talk to the GB in person when they heard about Ray Franz being DF’d, and they wanted to know why? They could hardly get one minute, let alone one word from the GB after all their time, love and expense was invested in trying to ‘save and help’ their brother.

  Steve2 : “ To the one who has been abusive and can now also shun, the act of shunning the victim has a particularly cruel edge”… What is sad to find out, is that the only time the WT cares about you…. is if the checks stop coming….

  And yes, sad to say, prologos… shunning does seem to lift some people’s worthless self image….

  What I am glad for today, is that all of us can come together, support each other, help & comfort each other in spite of the Watchtower. We have escaped!

  Thank you all!